Ep 166: Feelings Check-In on Singapore Conferences Token2049 & Solana Breakpoint

[00:00] Bonjour. Back in the saddle. Back in the saddle. Back with the mic. Here we are. Here we are. I have to say in my co-working space right now, there's like a Sephora offsite of some kind. And... [00:14] The catering is quite elaborate. Well, Sephora is going to shell out. Totally. And I'm directly benefiting because they have too much food every day. And then there's like leftovers in the kitchen. Incredible little English muffin sandwich that I had for breakfast. Very exciting. So shout out to the Sephora team. Shout out Sephora. [00:35] The Feelings Check-In is a podcast for people who love to listen to two women overshare about the challenges of building a business, navigating careers in tech, and trying to have a personal life. I'm Natasha Hoskins. I'm Dina Burke. And this is Boys Club. Wait, is it just Boys Club? It's just Boys Club. The Boys Club podcast? No. No. [00:57] Just boys club. Today, we're doing a little feelings check-in on my trip to Singapore. We have not mano-a-mano-ed about this, so it's all coming in fresh for the pod. [01:07] It's fresh for the pod. It's new intel, new experiences. So what we're going to do here is we're going to cover some just a one on one on why I was in Singapore, what's happening there for the listener who's not. [01:20] steeped in crypto. We're going to talk about some trends that we saw from some of the conferences I went to. And then there's going to be a quick hits of some funny stories. Some color. Some color. As the personality hire in all of these spaces, I feel I must bring my A game. It's your duty. Yeah, it's my duty. Exactly. So we'll be right back.

[01:41] you [01:43] Hey, Natasha. So a question we get asked a lot is, what do you look for in a crypto platform? So let's talk about it. Well, Dina, I look for a secure, no fuss platform that I can dive into right away. That's why I love today's sponsor, Kraken. If you're waiting for the right time to get into crypto, Kraken makes it super easy and intuitive to get started. Plus, if you get stuck, they have an award-winning client support team that's available 24-7, along with a bunch of educational guides, articles, and videos to help you along the way. If you're ready to check out the simple, secure way to trade crypto, [02:12] So I was in Singapore for a week. And the reason I was in Singapore is that there are... [02:29] several conferences that were going on at the same time. One is a conference called token 2049 that happens twice a year. And one time it happened in Dubai and then it happened in Singapore. [02:40] this year and token is a really interesting conference because i would say that it is out of all of the conferences and someone's told me this so i've learned it from somebody else but out of all of the conferences on the circuit for crypto it is the one where retail investors are coming to literally figure out which tokens to buy which coins they should be stacking their bags with so it [03:05] produces like a very strange and very shilly conference because everybody's genuinely trying to get you to buy their token and that's the atmosphere and

[03:15] the culture of it versus some of these other conferences which is like which are trying to get developers to come and to build apps using their ecosystem tools yeah exactly exactly people kept saying oh it's investor focus and it is institutional investors and venture capitalists but also just retail investors and what that means for the listener is like you and me right going and figuring out what we're buying on the crypto scene and we threw two events alongside [03:45] in town there's a lot of our community as well as new faces to know and love boys love so we did a really fun dinner with near who i'm obsessed with if you haven't listened to the jared podcast that dina did while i was in singapore it's so compelling so go give it a listen and brought together some really fun people to talk about near talk to one of their ai engineers really smart guy let that go [04:10] He's a French guy, so we had a lot to talk about around France. We talked about taxes. We did not talk about AI that much. Actually, I was like, okay, what do you think about this? He had never seen Mad Men. He had zero context for what I was talking about. And I was like, have you ever seen the meme where Donald Draper is in the elevator with his copywriter? You know the meme I'm talking about. [04:30] of course and he goes i feel bad for you and don draper says i don't think about you at all classic meme incredible meme i was like i saw that the other day in relationship to crypto and ai and that crypto is saying i feel bad for you and ai is like i don't think about you at all what do you think about that and he's like was the lead ai engineer at a layer one blockchain i was like i know i want to hear your thoughts

[04:51] What did he say? He was kind of like, yeah, we haven't given them anything to care about yet. And like, that's what we're building. He was very like sober minded about it. Anyway, I had heard that Tokyo 2049 feels like falling from the sky. And I felt that global note around my trip to Singapore felt like a fever dream. It was... [05:11] a wild experience on every single level. I slept... [05:15] Not at all. I genuinely have never experienced such intense [05:21] jet lag in my life and then you're up and at it and you have no choice but to grind you know it's a grind set but it was really fun and a bunch of boys club girlies stayed at a hotel together and went around the city and it was great so that's token the second conference that it bleeds right into that starts right after token 2049 is a conference called breakpoint and breakpoint is the [05:46] that the Solana... [05:48] blockchain, the Solana ecosystem puts on. It's a two-day conference. And I don't know, it's equivalent to like ETH Denver or ETH CC, a conference that's focused on builders and investors and projects. [06:01] and dApps that are built on top of Solana, which is a layer one blockchain. [06:06] Anything to add? No, except that like pretty much every ecosystem will have their [06:11] conference and it [06:13] So happens that Solana sort of co-locates theirs with Token 2049, which feels intentional. It's very intentional, I think, for two reasons. It's also then backed up with F1. So you have Token, Breakpoint, F1. And the reason I had heard why...

[06:30] Solana decides to put it in [06:32] Right after token is it's a real contrast in terms of fidelity of the conference token is like you're in a ballroom classic looking like old school really unsexy and the breakpoint conference is completely the opposite. It was so high fidelity. It was really really well done. So. [06:51] That's why we're there putting on two events. And the reason why I stayed for Breakpoint is we're really trying to get our feet wet here with the Solana ecosystem. There's a lot of really interesting consumer stuff happening there. I'm going to talk about some of the trends that I saw and some of the things that people are building and sort of just the atmosphere in the room. And it's a really exciting time to be a part of that community. And we aren't. We are not at all. And I could not want to eat my words more around that. [07:20] Solana. So the story of Solana is that they launched March 2020. They were deeply in bed with SBF after FTX collapsed. [07:29] Everybody was like, this blockchain is not going to work. Like, it's over. Dead now. [07:34] And they have... [07:36] really proven everybody wrong. They've proven everyone wrong. Is that your experience of? Yeah, totally. And I feel really bad because there was a moment when Rand and I had a meeting. It was like right... [07:45] in amongst all the FGX stuff that was happening. [07:48] just right after it, I think, when the developer... [07:52] activity had like gone down totally tremendously on that ecosystem and also they were like doing all these weird airdrops to try and like get people juiced on solana again so they were like airdropping to all the developers and randa was like i think i want to make a bet i think i want to

[08:09] What was the token price at the time? I don't know. But I was like, don't do it. Don't. Wow. Absolutely terrible. I know. Can you believe that? Yeah, I totally can believe it. Totally can believe it. Not investment advice on many levels. Not because it's unethical, but also because I have terrible investment advice. Oh, my gosh. I saw a friend the night before I left and they were like, hey, keep me posted on Alpha. And I was like, what do you mean? [08:36] And they were like, like on what tokens to... [08:38] bye and like what's popping and i was like oh my friend you're barking up the wrong tree wrong wrong person anyway so now my dear friend miranda i feel so bad i maybe blocked her from some major cashola generational wealth generational wealth carrying around a lot of guilt as you should but honestly whatever it's going to happen many times over in our lifetime so we are trying to get more into the salon ecosystem we want to work with brands that are building really interesting things [09:08] actually am so bullish after this conference there's a lot around the ethos of solana that really does align with what we care about at boys club and we'll talk about some of those things i will say very little respect on the name of boys club very little respect there is some in the room but the respect was not in the room with us all the time so that was an interesting experience differing from an ethereum conference which is like our home crowd i was like oh okay i'm a

[09:38] figure out a way to work together link up and build but by the end of the conference i was feeling like we got somewhere so [09:46] Thanks for doing the work. Anytime. [09:49] It's time for a more open, inclusive, and transparent financial system. A system that serves nearly everyone, everywhere, all the time. That's why we love today's sponsor, Kraken. Kraken is a crypto platform that provides a super simple on-ramp to the world of crypto with a 24-7 support team. Crypto transcends physical and imaginary borders. No matter where you are, you can send funds easily and quickly to almost any part of the world. Plus, forget about waiting times and waiting lines. You can send, receive, and trade crypto anywhere near instantly. [10:19] So some trends. I would say the main differentiators between Ethereum and Solana, in my experience, was that, as I've been saying, it's deeply consumer. Solana is. Solana is. That stems from the actual technology. [10:49] that the use cases are much more aligned with consumer behavior and consumer dApps being built on top of it. How that shows up is in the programming and actually what people are talking about and the booths that people have and you're walking around. [11:04] a conference like ETH Denver and everything that you're seeing in these booths is essentially infrastructure. It's like we're a layer three or like we're a ZK whatever like all of it is tooling for developers. This for the most part was the total opposite. It was like here's a weird like gerbil betting game that like is weird and I don't want to play it but it's at least thinking about the end consumer almost on every level and so what I saw was a lot of gaming a lot of focus on mobile

[11:34] a lot of prediction markets and betting stuff, a combination of all of those things in many formats. And then in terms of the atmosphere in the room, [11:42] absolutely packed like the room was packed and I think part of that is [11:48] really good event design, like really thoughtfully designed event space. And there was nowhere to sit but inside of the actual [11:56] programming areas and that was really smart because there was like some food areas that you could sit but for the most part it just got everybody in the room and people were super engaged it was very much like people were there to learn to hear from the leaders of this community and that was really really apparent and honestly very different from an ethereum conference where the room is empty 90% of the time and we're asked to be on panels and moderate and like we love to do that work but we get there and there's like six people in the room and it's [12:26] were off in a corner around onboarding and consumer that like nobody gives a fuck about. Yeah. And it was very different in this space. And so that was really interesting to see. And I think for us, we've been feeling a little bit like the scene is small. And I would say a global note across my experience at Singapore is, wow, the scene is fucking huge. And it's global. And there is so much happening across all of these different ecosystems that we... [12:54] don't get exposure to because we are very much in sort of our [12:58] bubble and ecosystem of Ethereum and our friends. And like, it's great, of course, like I'm obsessed with it. And this is literally my life's work right now. But it was really encouraging to see just how much more is going on. One, like around the world, there's just so many more use cases. And you can use crypto all across Singapore. I could have paid for every single cap in Bitcoin or USDC if I wanted to. And just it's much more a part of just the everyday there. But then also

[13:28] just globally i sat in on one talk about a exchange that is in the philippines and the amount of transactions that are happening on the philippines and how much remittances are happening like it's crazy the the level of transactions that people are using crypto outside of the u.s on a day-to-day basis and that was really cool to see and like a lot of it is around remittances and stuff like that globally but also just like [13:51] international developers and just different scenes that we don't see. Yeah, that's cool. How the conference actually looked, I don't know if people are interested, but for me, this was really interesting in terms of like how the programming came to life. Three different styles of programming. There was debate style, a moderator and two people on different sides of a topic. And then that was one style. So an example of how that came to life is a debate called Wall Street Doesn't Need Blockchain. And it was Anthony Scaramucci. The mooch, if you're unfamiliar [14:21] is a longtime American financer. He was also famously the White House Director of Communication for like six days under Trump. He is a character, to say the least. And he is authentically himself, I feel, in all spaces against Christopher Jensen, who is Director of Digital Asset Research at Franklin Templeton. They had a debate around like Wall Street needing blockchain and [14:47] Interesting. I feel like both of those people would be pro Wall Street. I think in a lot of the debates, both people agreed. It was just like one person had to take the opposing side. Okay, that's cool. Yeah, it was interesting. In this case, Anthony Scaramucci was like, Wall Street has no incentive to there's a reason the inefficiencies are built in.

[15:04] People are benefiting from those inefficiencies. And... [15:08] Christopher Jensen was like, that's a short-sighted view as things become more transparent, more efficient. [15:15] that's room for faster transactions and more essentially more money to be made and then anthony scaramichi at the end was like yeah i totally agree it's just like i had to argue the other side and so you had the debate style and [15:28] And then you had five minute pitches where teams were coming up and like maybe demos is a better word instead of pitches where teams were coming up and talking about their projects and all variety of stuff all over the map in terms of what people are building. Again, like a lot of trading apps, stuff about like ICO platforms, which was kind of weird and funny and very 2017. A ton of gaming, a lot of different like exchanges, global exchanges that I'd like honestly never heard of. [15:58] of new products or big updates that they're making of their products. And everyone was like excited to announce here at Breakpoint X or Y or whatever. And then the last was Fireside Chats and the Fireside Chats were very impressive people. One of the five minute demos was [16:14] the CEO of Circle. I was like, oh, this is like the man right now. Like this man... [16:20] He has security on both sides. So one of the... [16:24] best fireside chats was one of the opening ones with Raj, who's one of the co-founders of Solana, and Balaji talking about Solana as a network state. So for people who are unfamiliar with

[16:36] Balaji, [16:37] I can't say his name. I can't. I've tried every which way. We've tried 90 times on this podcast. It's not out of an effort of wanting to say it correctly. It's that there's some words I literally can't. I just chan. Can you give like a one, two punch on network states? A network state is Balaji's movement around building communities that typically have a digital component [17:03] that are outside of a government, a state government, a country. [17:08] Boys club could be considered a network state, a mini network state. But it's the idea of, yeah, like kind of the world where he thinks that we're going to be living in more and more, which is this idea of different network states instead of different. [17:24] government states, I think is. Yeah. [17:26] a rough explanation. Great job. Great job. I love to hear it. So he [17:32] And Raj talked about sort of how Solana plays into this idea of a network state. And such an interesting talk. I mean, he is so... [17:42] compelling personally I think some of the things they talked about that I thought were really compelling is he's talking about this connection between the physical world and the digital world and where we're seeing that show up he talked about deep in a lot he talked about digital boundaries that we're seeing online and in these different like blockchain ecosystems and how one of the strengths of crypto is that we [18:05] that oftentimes people say is to our detriment is that it's a big conference.

[18:09] uh industry and he was like that actually demonstrates a real strength within this industry where were these conferences are mini cities and you have to set up a physical infrastructure for each of these type of conferences and that shows a strength within this industry that will continue to build on and offline that's interesting [18:30] Yeah, it was kind of interesting to think of and where there's opportunities for... [18:36] digital infrastructure that we're building to play into these physical moments that we have all the time. He threw out some like product ideas around NFT check-ins at Airbnbs and like gated doors and and just bringing it back to like actually our physical environment. [18:51] lived experience, which I always find really compelling and really different than a lot of the conversations I think we hear at these conferences. He talked about how COVID was this moment where it was the starting point of an internet first world. He's like, I think we will look back and always say like, where the turning point was, was COVID, where it was like, okay, our whole experience actually starts on the internet and then moves back into the physical world. He talked about crypto, the goal of it being unbundling the whole global financial system [19:21] use this example of what smart contracts and crypto make possible where let's say you have a company that's based in Bangladesh and a Brazilian company wants to acquire that [19:34] other company. He was like, if you look into the world, you're going to find two or three people that are going to be able to do that acquisition for you. Where someone who is so knowledgeable about the laws and the state of Bangladesh and the banking system there,

[19:48] And someone who understands Brazil that much. And he sort of walked through the tax implications of it, the contract implications from a legal perspective. And he was just saying what crypto allows is for these types of transactions and accounting and acquisitions and transfer of wealth and power to just be so much more efficient and sustainable. [20:07] People who are maybe familiar with his work are really familiar with this kind of thinking, but I really haven't sat with a lot of what he's written about. And so it was just very interesting to hear him talk about where he's seeing this happen in the real world already. And they talked about the Marshall Islands testing smart contracts as like their main form of contracting and testing that within this like small country. [20:37] for a country with a lot of money like Grand Cayman. And so it was just like... Fascinating. [20:43] Very fascinating. So... [20:45] really encourage people to go listen to that talk those are some quick hits from it and [20:50] There's also a culture across Solana that is [20:53] exceptionally bro. [20:55] Can't stress this enough. Yeah, I would say that that's the prevailing sentiment, I would say, around when you say Solana. I think that the brand association goes very quickly towards. It's a bro-seef culture. Yeah. Yes. He talked about how he was. [21:10] in the process of biohacking to get jacked. [21:13] And they were like placed a bet on stage about if this time next year.

[21:19] Balaji would be... [21:20] jacked. And so that was sort of part of the conversation. That's a little less fascinating to me. [21:28] So I'm just giving some color, some color commentary. That's. [21:33] Some of the trends that I saw from Breakpoint. I really, really enjoyed my time. The bro culture is there, but everybody's really nice. It was shocking to me. It was an interesting... [21:43] dichotomy between this very pervasive man... [21:48] Man, energy everywhere. [21:51] more so than any other crypto conference I've ever been to. Here's my CTA. If you are a Solana builder and you would like to work with Boys Club, shoot us an email. We are very open for business. Open for business. From Idris Elba to Stripe to the Central Bank of Brazil, the sixth annual Stellar Meridian [22:21] and more on October 15th through 17th in London to talk about how crypto is transforming everyday financial services right now. Tickets are going fast, so get yours now at meridian.stellar.org. Now we just have a few funny, a little funny stories. Can't wait. I will say one of the things that is so fun about this job is I get to travel around the world, meeting new friends and old, and it's a blast. And I feel so grateful to do that.

[22:50] And one moment that was really fun is there was a party one night. Diplo was DJing. We all went. Super fun. Something that happens at crypto conferences is nobody dances. And it's very, very, very, very annoying to me. I'm just like, we're here. [23:05] Just dance. [23:06] Just dance. [23:07] And so I was with a group of girls that were so fun and they were, we were there to dance. And so we're all dancing and there's this girl who keeps looking over at me. She's like, not in our group. She's like over in a separate little area. [23:19] And she keeps looking over, keeps looking over. And I was just like, this is kind of funny, but like didn't really think anything of it. And then out of nowhere, she like literally jumps into our group and she's like, you guys are so fun. She's like, why is nobody dancing? Can I come dance with you guys? And I was like, totally. She's like dancing with us and we're talking and I was like, do you work in crypto? And she's like, yeah, I just started like trying to find my people like I don't know. And I was like, oh. [23:41] You found your welcome home. You've arrived. You've arrived. You got to join Boys Club. And she was like, oh, my gosh. So we have this little moment. And she's like, can I get your number? I'm really going to text you. And I was like, of course. And so we exchanged numbers. She texted me later that night. She's like, can't wait to hang when we're back in New York. And I was like, totally. And whatever. We text for a little bit. [23:59] The next day we're at the conference, which again, very bro. Mm-hmm. [24:03] Bye. [24:04] no woman in sight. [24:07] And so I'm walking through the conference and then I lock eyes [24:11] And it's this girl who I have danced on the dance floor with. And we literally just point at each other and we both say, a woman. [24:19] It was so funny. It's just like, I was like, I found my people and it's,

[24:26] Something that I... [24:27] love about boys club and not even as someone who like started boys club but like as a participant of the community it's [24:35] so fun to be in those spaces and there is something that happens when you see someone who you can relate to and yeah [24:42] It makes such a difference. Yeah. I don't know even how to put it into words, but... [24:48] you have somebody you can sit with and someone you can walk the booths with and someone that like when some dude is saying dumb fucking shit, which happens all the time. [24:57] then like you can look at each other and be like, let's go. That is so important. And I really just appreciate this woman and the time that we had together. We like sat in on some talks together, which was really nice. So Jasmine, if you're listening, if you're here. Jasmine, you made it. I love you. We're so happy to have you. Oh, it was really nice. It was nice to feel. Honestly, I think my experience at Breakpoint was more of a boys club. [25:23] member than of like [25:25] someone who is boys club I think sometimes it's like oh you're boys club and I'm like yeah and like that's a different experience than being part of boys club and I really felt like I was a member of boys club and looking for my hats and looking for my people so fun had so much fun with LC and all these other people and I'm just really grateful for that so that was funny that's awesome it's very wholesome [25:44] What's not so wholesome? [25:47] I was I'm waiting for the not wholesome event because I'm sure there was there was some not so wholesome events one of which okay I just have to caveat this by saying I picked up my badge at breakpoint and I went to the general admission line and they were like you can't pick up your badge here you have to go to press and media and I was like sir that's hilarious like every time I do it I'm like this is a joke yeah totally totally me being a part of the media is the fourth estate yep I am I guess a part of the media.

[26:17] of the media a journalist a journalist if you invite me to a party an event a dinner an underground event i don't even know and you tell me this is off the record i'll never talk about it on this podcast [26:35] I will be respectful of your invitation. Of the code of ethics that a journalist has. Exactly. Exactly. If you've not explicitly said that, [26:44] There's a chance it will be on this podcast just because the bit is so good. So are you familiar with a man named Suzu? [26:53] I am. And this is problematic. [26:58] I fear we're not in wholesome territory anymore. We're off the wholesome territory. [27:04] trail. Uh huh. Yeah, I do. Three Arrows Capital. Yes. He's one of the co-founders Three Arrows Capital. Three Arrows Capital was a hedge fund based in Singapore. They [27:18] are famously and infamously known for being massively overexposed on... [27:24] Tara Luna [27:26] which was an algorithmic stablecoin that was a Ponzi scheme, essentially. And in 2022, Tara [27:34] de-pegged, [27:35] to the US dollar, Luna crashed to zero. [27:39] And essentially billions of dollars in this hedge fund evaporated and is one of the major domino effects of the bear market. He's responsible for the bear market. Totally. Yeah, yeah. So he's a bad guy, I would say. I would say not a great guy. And I think part of the sort of discourse around him is that he was making extremely irresponsible bets with the money that he was given to manage.

[28:06] Extremely irresponsible. Extremely. Extremely. To say over leveraged would be the understatement of the century. So I'm out. [28:17] doing my thing and I get a text from someone that says do you want to go to a house party at [28:22] at Susu's. [28:23] And I think... [28:25] one life. We have this one, one fleeting, beautiful life. And so I'm like, yeah, of course. I, I, [28:35] I want... [28:36] Take me to your take me to there. [28:40] So let me just say, I do not want to platform this man. Everybody was like, you got to get him on the pod. And I was like, no, I don't want to platform this person. Yeah. So his charges in Singapore are sort of like unclear to me. He was like arrested because I think he tried to leave Singapore. And then. [28:55] He had to go to jail for several months because he fled. And then wasn't his yacht repossessed? [29:00] Yes, something like that. And then he did go to prison for four months. [29:07] Basically because he was like not compliant in the liquidation case. But it doesn't seem that there are any other charges against him. Like there's some bankruptcy procedures that are happening. But from... [29:18] my understanding, but maybe somebody has... [29:21] more intel. He's... [29:24] off in terms of any sort of legal ramifications for what he did. So you go to the party because it's your journalistic duty to attend. Doing it for the bit. And bear witness. Bear witness to what is happening here. What is happening here. So I arrive. Beautiful house.

[29:41] completely empty of furniture. There's like a bed in like a top floor, [29:46] It's like very dark. I get there and I'm like darkness. [29:50] Darkness is amongst us and in the room. There's a DJ... [29:54] table [29:55] With no DJ. It's quite full. And then there's one couch area filled with women. I was like, oh, that's kind of interesting. All the ladies are sitting on the couch. I wonder why they're all sitting on the couch. Everybody else is a man besides me and a few people that I came with. And... [30:11] He's just in the room. [30:12] like tang top guns out i was like oh he's bulking my first thought in the creatine it's in the creatine is it like a paper cup situation [30:22] There was a bartender and there were some drinks. There was a glassware. [30:26] It wasn't glassware. No, at that point, not glassware. And no, like Aperol Sprint, unfortunately. My main experience there was this is a side of crypto that like I am so unfamiliar with, like full, full degen. Yeah. [30:43] D-Gen. [30:45] grifter like [30:46] to the tilt, like to an exposure that I was like genuinely culture shock. This is... [30:53] I don't know what these people are. They're like trading on some leverage. They're like doing some meme coin stuff. They're like using coins to like buy private jets. They were just talking about stuff that I'm like, I am so deeply unfamiliar with this as like a way of living. And I was like, I cannot, I genuinely cannot believe we're in the same industry. My mind is absolutely blown. And I'm like walking around the room. The house is so hot. It's like, I'm like in a sauna. I'm just

[31:23] strange and I'm trying to talk to people and then a few people were like boys club like more people knew about boys club at that party than the breakpoint conference which I don't know what that means honestly like a lot of the people I talked to were really nice but like just really degenerate I don't even know how to explain it besides that and I think some people are really into him as a figure like they think that he's based yeah there's like an edgelord thing [31:49] There's an edgelord thing. I don't have that perspective. And then I went to go sit with the ladies to be like, what's going on here? And exactly at 2 a.m. they all left. [32:03] on the dot. And I was like, oh, seems like somebody's on the clock. Somebody's on the clock. Because all of a sudden I look back and the couch is... [32:12] Cleared. Empty. Cleared out. Good for them. I'm glad they're getting paid. Me too. I was like, could I get compensation? [32:20] Where do I send my W-2? [32:22] Ha! [32:23] Anyway, it was really interesting. I feel like there was something about it that was really dark and really depressing and that I don't feel I need to attend again. I feel like I found out later that that is one of several houses that he has. I wanted to look up how much that house was, but... [32:39] I mean, I can't even imagine. It was... [32:42] Insane. And Singapore is the most expensive city, I think, on earth now. So I'm like, he did fine, despite his... [32:49] fall from grace and he's working on like a new project and was like shilling that

[32:54] I saw the discourse around him being like, oh, he's trying to wipe his bad reputation and like he's just starting a new thing. And that's crazy. And only in crypto would you see that, which is true. Only in crypto would you see that. Totally. And only also a man. [33:08] I do feel like we need to have a conversation about please keep inviting us to stuff. [33:14] Totally. As I said, if you tell me not to talk about it, I will never talk about it. Yeah. Yeah. [33:18] And there will be many stories that are banked. There's already many stories that are banked that I was told. You can't talk about this on the podcast. And honestly, I do have good judgment around it. I have not disclosed who I went with. I was not disclosed who invited me. I did not disclose anybody that was there. So all I have done is talked about a party that many other people went to and many other people experienced. And honestly, just kind of sad and dark for the most part. I had a great time. I had so much fun because of who I was with. And we were just like, what? [33:46] is this canon event in our lives that we're here at this criminal's home. And the main thought that I had is like, [33:53] In five years, this man is going to get arrested again. And he's going to do something else that is atrocious. And in the docuseries, they're going to be like, he would throw these parties and these houses in Singapore. And I was like, I'm going to be like, I was there. I was there. That was me. That was me.

[34:13] Anyway, that was my time. That was my time in Singapore. Well, I, for one, I'm glad you're back. [34:23] light [34:24] We have shared locations and I was checking in on your location and it had gotten to the point where it was 19 hours. [34:31] since your location updated and you were last in Singapore. And I was like, what has happened? And I went on a whole, I was like, I was just sure you got arrested. So anyway, I'm glad that you are safe and sound and back on US soil. And yeah, [34:46] I think in the future, let's just have a policy where we share... [34:50] - For flight information. - Yeah, that's good. Because I literally [34:54] couldn't sleep while I was in Singapore. I got on my [34:58] Three leg flight. I don't know if anybody has seen my Instagram account recently, but if not, check it out. And part of it was that I had a three leg flight to and back from Singapore because of my gold status, which is so budget, like get a grip. And I my first leg was with a friend and that passed pretty quick. Like I was like, OK, great. Singapore to Seoul, six hours. Not bad. [35:24] Then I got off and there's a 14, 15 hour flight from Singapore to Minneapolis. Who's on that flight? God only knows. I slept... [35:35] I the entire time like I got in. [35:38] I put my neck pillow on. I fell asleep for three hours. Woke up, ate a yogurt 15 minutes later, fell asleep for like another 10 hours. And then I was like, whoa. And then I...

[35:48] walked through customs, ate a Shake Shack. Incredible. It's the most amazing thing I've ever eaten at that moment. Got on my next leg, which was three hours, fell asleep the whole time. Oh, wow. So happy for you. Baby girl is underslept. So happy for you. I just bought one of those turtleneck for Bangkok. [36:04] for well answer him next week oh yeah fuck okay on that note thanks for listening bye